... so to play that, you definitely have to listen to Rush
a bit prog nerd talk
one of the most important stuff is i think, besides his priority tones of rim and his ride and his toms and his use of his foots, is his way of lyrical playing.
the orchetstration as he says i think. he does not depend on the groove or the beat, its more a floating and accentuating play. which is quite important for symphonic prog i think as Genesis did it.
you have to get out of the groove and do little details, spontaneous shout outs, ideas and lovely hugs, like Gavin Harrison wouldnt say
the groove/beat is lurking in the shadow and is coming up from time to time or some kind of variation of the basic groove/beat.
Weather Report, Yes and TFK are imho the bands that fuse groove and lyrical playing at hi-def. Were tfk are the most groovy .... specially at the moment, as they do very groovy driving songs and not that much symphonic/lyrical.
Genesis did not that much groove, they mostly had lyrical play i think. They even stopped the groove with a hard or hard-soft break as you became aware of ....
KC did experimental lyrical and experiemntal groove 2gether with experimental but great melodys (and they are still top notch with such things as RED or Power2Believe).
Rush was quite experimental with the groove and pretty lyrical with the bass and symphonic with the the synths ....
SB for example is quite groovy/beat sound but the lyrical play is not that often. The same goes for Gentle Giant. But they are both very symphonic with the melodys which makes a great contrast.
Zappa is kind of the big fusion of everything of that ****
.... from time to time ....
for the lyrical play i think it is very important that the bass and the drums and also the melodic parts, synth and guitar, have a very special interaction .... they must be able to work at once but also as single, immmediatley react on each other and tell a story where they interact A LOT .... just listen to the Genesis instrumental parts or the parts where you onyl hear one or two instruments .... not much groove, not to long, as this is like they would jump side by side down the fucking street ... not to full as this is like everybody has something to say but nothing important ...
thats also why i like AISLES that much, because they .... are very lyrical with a lot of breaks and different parts. Still they are not as close to the genius of Genesis like tfk is.
they are way to full and the tones of the singer and all others are too "exclusive".
Big BIg Train or was it Carptree have some great skills here, but missing some others again ...
why is it so hard to compose like CAN-UTILITY AND THE COASTLINERS. Give more power to the single tones (you know, every one is sacred) and the stylistic diversity and less to the groove and the ... i dont know
im not drunk ... well maybe a bit .... but that must be from yesterday ....
heres the most intriguing genesis cover band i know
the ballroom version ...
and the original ...http://www.abazada.com/video/clip,q03zlz.htm
i had no idea that there are so many G cover bands out there .... i counted 6 or something ...
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